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Longasc · Feb 15, 2009, 12:29 PM // 12:29

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Originally Posted by eatchldrn

wow....they really dropped the ball announcing gw2 5 years before release when gw1 is already running out of content, bad choices ftwww

Yeah, I guess many people will focus on other games.

They wanted to release new content regularly, and without new content, GW1 becomes quickly stale. Plus we know, GW1 has no future, and GW2 is far away.

The small "LIVE Team" is fighting a hopeless battle in keeping the game fresh.

Skye Marin · Feb 15, 2009, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Chill out. Relax.

When it comes out, Guild Wars 2 is just one of many games I'll be buying that year.

If you really want it, why not wait until it's done first?

DarkNecrid · Feb 15, 2009, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Faer/Katsumi:

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Originally Posted by JR

Why there is no GW2 info yet:

Look at every MMO that has come out in the western market since World of Warcraft. Every single one has faded into mediocrity, or failed entirely, having not been able to get same pull on players that Blizzard does. They don't have as much content, it's less intuitive, it's not as polished... whatever. Nobody in the MMO game, as of right now, can keep up with WoW. Off the top of my head the only other MMO that has managed consistant growth is EVE, which is actually older than WoW (and much more of a niche game.)

By the time GW2 comes out ArenaNet will not just be competing with WoW, they will be competing with the monolith that Blizzard will have become. With the release of Diablo II and the continual and steady growth of WoW, there will be very little room left for other titles to get a slice of the pie.

So, if ArenaNet are smart then they are keeping their heads down entirely. If they are smart, and think they have a shot at really competing, then they have some revolutionary shit that they don't want the competition to know about. They don't want to even give Blizzard a sniff of what they have up their sleeve, and rightly so.

So, yes, the current community gets sacrificed for that cause... but that's not really a huge deal to them, "business sense" wise, because that is a microscopic portion of what they have to aim at. Everything pivots around GW2 releasing and blowing people away, and compared to that releasing media right now really should not be a priority.

Stop missing this post. It is 100% right and it is all that needs to be said on why they aren't releasing anything. The instant ArenaNet releases anything they make it available to be taken and reworked by any company (although you know Blizzard would do it if it fits their game in a heart beat.). This is the primary reason they are releasing all their info close to beta besides the fact that they want to release all the info at once.

If they want to be a competitor to WoW (it is fairly obvious they do, they are making the game an MMORPG, and a lot of their already stated features would attract that type of crowd), they need:
a) Stability. (this is why the game is coming out a bit later.)
b) Content. (see above.)
c) Innovation (It needs to have something NEW. A lot of it.)

A+B they'll get with time, but you can hardly be C if you throw out your Poker Hand so everyone can see it and beat it, now can you?

Arkantos · Feb 15, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Didn't WoW prove that people like ridiculous, ugly, low-poly cartoons?

No, WoW proved that players play for the gameplay and content, not the graphics. A good game with cartoon graphics is better than a bad game with amazing graphics (not comparing WoW to GW btw).

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Martin also said that to me yesterday, he played the game and it's brilliant. Nuff said.

If it's so brilliant, why aren't they showing us anything? Until they show us something, it's not brilliant, it's nothing.

Gun Pierson · Feb 15, 2009, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

No, WoW proved that players play for the gameplay and content, not the graphics. A good game with cartoon graphics is better than a bad game with amazing graphics (not comparing WoW to GW btw).

Remarkable isn't it, that so many devs forget or don't wanne accept this golden rule anymore it seems.

Curseman · Feb 15, 2009, 03:34 PM // 15:34

They've already explained in full why they are not releasing more information on GW2, and it is an entirely sensible and realistic plan. They are not going to compromise their success as a business because a few impatient people on an internet forum are complaining.

Cuthroat Dibbler · Feb 15, 2009, 03:38 PM // 15:38

To my knowledge, no member of staff have said they'd "played" the game, merely seen the technology demo's that are being made.

There's a BIG difference between the two and as far as I know, there's no real "battle mechanics" of GW2 even made yet. So demos will only show the basics and certainly not a full combat system. Even Anet have said its all fluid.

Til I see the showreels myself, I personally dont believe theres a "playable" version of any part of GW2 yet.

Some pics would be nice, but as has been mentioned by others, as soon as anything is released into the wild, the competition will be all over it looking to copy or steal. Silence may just be Golden in this instance. Shame that thought wasnt present in the minds of the people that decided to come up with the rather daft and completely over optimistic "2009 release date"

*taps foot and prepapres for a 2 year wait....minimum ;-)

mrbilzor · Feb 15, 2009, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Hey, you, yes you reading this. If you are this involved in this thread then chances are you have Prophecies, Factions, Nightfall, and Eye of the North. Maybe even more than one account. You are active in the forums and know the game.

Do you really mean to tell me that when GW2 comes out in a couple years you won't buy it? You won't drop the $50 to play another great free MMORPG that will no doubt keep your interest for another couple of years?

Oh no, "GW1 isn't keeping my interest, I'm going to move on." The whole point of Guildwars is that you can leave, go do other stuff, then come back later. Lots of people have, lots of people will. Trust me, you are not the first person to lose interest in this game. You aren't paying every month, so stop complaining about keeping interest in a game you've been playing for multiple years.

You want new content? How long does it take you to tear through some elite sections. Let's say you and the guild crank out a dungeon/elite once a weekend. In order to keep your interest, elite GW player, there has to be 3/4 new Elite areas a month. Or, apparently, a whole new storyline every six. That simply isn't going to happen, so please stop threatening to quit (sorry, to lose interest) if it doesn't.

Back when I was younger I really liked the Final Fantasy series. But, according to some of the logic I'm reading on this thread and in these forums, when I beat 7 but 8 wasn't out yet, I should have cried like a little girl, demanding something (anything) from Square (like hi-res shots from cut scenes, apparently), because if I didn't know when the next game was going to come out, I was going to play something else! I'll do it! I'll go buy another game and play it!

What terrible logic. Of course I'm going to play another game. Go try something else. Come back to GW in six months and see what's changed and play some more. It's okay, this isn't a monogamous relationship, go experiment with others. The GW client still loads on your computer if other games are installed. Trust me.

Does it suck that it'll be so long? Yes. Was this expected? Not really, but did anyone really hang their hat on playing GW2 at the end of this year? Go do other things, play other games. When (and if) GW2 comes out you'll buy it, of course you will. It'll be $50. There'll be no monthly fee. It'll be good, like Prophecies was when it first came out almost four years ago.

God, seriously? Four years ago? Is there any game that you've ever played that doesn't have a monthly fee you play four years after you bought it? FYI, other releases from 2005: KoTOR 2, The Matrix: Online, Jade Empire (xbox), Dungeon Siege 2, Black and White 2, Quake 4, Civ 4 (original, not expansions).

Faer · Feb 15, 2009, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Stop missing this post.

I didn't. I agree with JR, they need to keep their heads down entirely. Which means none of this:

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Martin also said that to me yesterday, he played the game and it's brilliant. Nuff said.

ArenaNet brags about their Benjamin, and the legions of loyal fanboys "ooh" and "aah" without even seeing it leave the wallet.

SHORT AND BLUNT: Don't talk about what you refuse to show. It makes you look bad.

I'd like the only GW2 related talk out of ArenaNet right now to be "we're working on it", not this "IT'S AWESOME" crap that they are spewing. We already know they lie to us about what they have and haven't said. What's to say they aren't lying about the game itself? Because they won't actually give us any proof that the thing is "brilliant", we don't know, and we can only either accept their word out of blind faith, or refute their word as bull until they pull the Benjamin out of their wallet.

DarkNecrid · Feb 15, 2009, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Faer

I didn't. I agree with JR, they need to keep their heads down entirely. Which means none of this:

ArenaNet brags about their Benjamin, and the legions of loyal fanboys "ooh" and "aah" without even seeing it leave the wallet.

SHORT AND BLUNT: Don't talk about what you refuse to show. It makes you look bad.

Well, that I can agree with, although Martin isn't with NCSoft anymore, so. :\

Lonesamurai · Feb 15, 2009, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by Faer

I didn't. I agree with JR, they need to keep their heads down entirely. Which means none of this:

SHORT AND BLUNT: Don't talk about what you refuse to show. It makes you look bad.

Except Martin isn't working for them anymore

own age myname · Feb 15, 2009, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by Society

Just_info:
Ever heard about Ankama ? Well, they developed their Wakfy MMOTRPG, sequel of of Dofus, up to open beta stage at end 2008, whil still working on Dofus (released, constaly receiving content updates), Dofus arena (open Beta) and Waku-based maga. Work on Wakfu was started after (AFAIK) GW2 announce, it was developed on completely new, Ankama-created engine. Ah, and they constaly relaes scrennshots ant art all that time. Yes, it has unique world and gameplay features.
;End_info

Ok, I really have to point this out, it bothers me. Who cares if another game has screenshots, videos, concept art ect? That does not mean Anet has to do the exact same thing. Please please please read before posting something:

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Originally Posted by JR

Why there is no GW2 info yet:

Look at every MMO that has come out in the western market since World of Warcraft. Every single one has faded into mediocrity, or failed entirely, having not been able to get same pull on players that Blizzard does. They don't have as much content, it's less intuitive, it's not as polished... whatever. Nobody in the MMO game, as of right now, can keep up with WoW. Off the top of my head the only other MMO that has managed consistant growth is EVE, which is actually older than WoW (and much more of a niche game.)

By the time GW2 comes out ArenaNet will not just be competing with WoW, they will be competing with the monolith that Blizzard will have become. With the release of Diablo II and the continual and steady growth of WoW, there will be very little room left for other titles to get a slice of the pie.

So, if ArenaNet are smart then they are keeping their heads down entirely. If they are smart, and think they have a shot at really competing, then they have some revolutionary shit that they don't want the competition to know about. They don't want to even give Blizzard a sniff of what they have up their sleeve, and rightly so.

So, yes, the current community gets sacrificed for that cause... but that's not really a huge deal to them, "business sense" wise, because that is a microscopic portion of what they have to aim at. Everything pivots around GW2 releasing and blowing people away, and compared to that releasing media right now really should not be a priority.

If Anet is smart they're doing what JR said.

Faer · Feb 15, 2009, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Except Martin isn't working for them anymore

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Well, that I can agree with, although Martin isn't with NCSoft anymore, so. :\

But did he play this "brilliant" game when he was (I don't know how wise it would be for them to allow him to do so after the fact, but you never know with them)? Either way, I could have easily brought around Regina's statement about playing the game, and made the same point.

Mario D X · Feb 15, 2009, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by agrios

Question is: how keep the masses entertained for a whole year without a new expansion or major content update?

I agree. Anet has reported that each campaign was developed by certain team and that every 6 mounths we will get fresh new content. so then they announce that GW:EN will be the final release and then we are all going to be playing the same game for 3-4 years? at least give us something to do! does Anet even think they will have money after basically running a game with no monthly fee and no new releases for 3-5 years? now considering that a monthly fee will scare off many players and will make this game like any other MMO in the market, at least make a team to develop new content' new releases. ppl are bored from playing the same thing again and again. I am actutually starting to think that the game is being pushed back cuz Anet doesn't have enough resources to develop GW 2 and it makes sense considering that they announce "Big changes" and then all of a sudden they give us freaking changes to storage and HoM and for April. so as I said, Anet is killing its first GW game by keeping it the same since August 31st 2007, amd killing its GW2 sales by scaring off GW1 players which eventually are going to be the core audience of GW2.

Lots of thinking to do Anet

Lonesamurai · Feb 15, 2009, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Faer

But did he play this "brilliant" game when he was (I don't know how wise it would be for them to allow him to do so after the fact, but you never know with them)? Either way, I could have easily brought around Regina's statement about playing the game, and made the same point.

true again, but In House closed testing is standard procedure as you know

*Que JR interception*

Craywulf · Feb 15, 2009, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by eatchldrn

wow....they really dropped the ball announcing gw2 5 years before release when gw1 is already running out of content, bad choices ftwww

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Originally Posted by agrios

Question is: how keep the masses entertained for a whole year without a new expansion or major content update?

Here's the biggest misconception...posters are under the impression that majority of players have experienced all the PvE content and are bored. WRONG!

These forums, along with other fansites are a vocal MINORITY of the players on Guild Wars. There are hundreds and thousands of players who haven't even finished Prophecies yet, or any the other chapters. The 'mass' of Guild Wars are casual players. They don't frequent messageboards or wikis, they play the game completely oblivious to what complainers deem broken skills or game play.

So for all the complaining on these boards, the majority of Guild Wars players are very much content and happy. They don't even concern themselves or are even aware that GW2 is in production.

Society · Feb 15, 2009, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Please please please read before posting something:

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Look at every MMO that has come out in the western market since World of Warcraft. Every single one has faded into mediocrity, or failed entirely, having not been able to get same pull on players that Blizzard does.

Look at every MMO that has come out in the western market before World of Warcraft. Every single one has faded into mediocrity, or failed entirely.
+WoW isn't most dangerous enemy. Maple Story with it's 50 millions of official players was, is, and, probably, would be in future. And mentioning of D2 was just hilarious.

Siadena · Feb 15, 2009, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Well, no new campaigns announced - obviously. However, I would imagine they have something up their sleve with the much talked about April update. Possibly to try to offer something IG to help inspire people to limp along a little further.
More titles?
Raising the cap on GWAMM higher?
normal mode, hard mode.....IMPOSSIBLE MODE!
lol, jk, but I bet they try something to offer fresh interest - whether it works or not remains to be seen.

Arkantos · Feb 15, 2009, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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To my knowledge, no member of staff have said they'd "played" the game, merely seen the technology demo's that are being made.

Regina did say she has played the game, a few pages back.

Fox Reeveheart · Feb 15, 2009, 05:48 PM // 17:48

great...well.... with gw2 PROBABLY 2 years away.... how will Anet keep me interested?

I REALLY don't see myself caring about gw that long if there is nothing to keep my interest

make free content like more zones or something or new elite areas and you'll have me for another long while and by that time hopefully there will FINALLY BE SOMETHING ABOUT GW2 TO TALK ABOUT OR SEE.

good lord this long and nothing but the initial concept art we saw when it was announced.